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  • #233: Lowes – From Hardware to Home Repair
    Nov 26 2025
    Lucious Lowe never saw his empire, but his son and son-in-law figured out how to give the customer what they needed. Dave Young: Welcome to the Empire Builders Podcast, teaching business owners the not-so-secret techniques that took famous businesses from mom-and-pop to major brands. Stephen Semple is a marketing consultant, story collector, and storyteller. I'm Stephen's sidekick and business partner, Dave Young. Before we get into today's episode, a word from our sponsor, which is... Well, it's us, but we're highlighting ads we've written and produced for our clients, so here's one of those. [OG Law Ad] Dave Young: Welcome back to the Empire Builders Podcast. I'm Dave Young, Steve Semple's here, and we're going to talk about another empire. Stephen Semple: Another one. Imagine that. Dave Young: And it's another one of these big boxes. Stephen Semple: Yes. Dave Young: So this is brick and mortar big box store. And so there's two things. One thing I love, one thing I hate about big box stores in this category. I used to love going down to my local hardware store and just tooling around. Stephen Semple: Yeah. Dave Young: And I guess you can still do that, but there's something about some old guy walking up and chatting with you about what you could maybe buy or not. Stephen Semple: Yeah. Dave Young: And so Lowe's is our subject today. Stephen Semple: Yes. Dave Young: I'm interested to see how they started. And again, I love shopping at Lowe's, I hate shopping at Lowe's, for two different reasons, right? Stephen Semple: Yeah. Dave Young: The variety. It's all there. Stephen Semple: Yes. Dave Young: The old guy that knows every piece of hardware in the store. Good luck finding that person. I mean, they may be there, they may not. It's hit and miss. Stephen Semple: Yes. So the first Lowe's, of course, started as one of those old-timey hardware stores. Dave Young: Sure. Stephen Semple: It was a 3000-foot store in 1921 in North Wilkesboro in North Carolina by Lucius Smith Lowe. That's basically the first Lowe's was way back in 1921. Dave Young: Lucius Smith Lowe. Okay. Stephen Semple: But the success of Lowe's actually did not come from Lowe, but rather an in-law named Carl Buchan, who came on the scene in 1943. Dave Young: Okay. Stephen Semple: So when Lucius died in 1940, the business was inherited by his daughter, Ruth Buchan, who then... Now, I was not able to find the family story on this, because I find this interesting. It was inherited by the daughter, who then sold the company to her brother, and I always thought, "Why'd the brother not inherit the business?" Dave Young: Right? Stephen Semple: Now, I also get why she probably sold it, because as we know, one of the really big problems, especially back in the 1940s, was women couldn't get credit, and it was very, very, very hard in the forties for a woman to actually run a business. So I also understand why she sold. Dave Young: Yeah. Yeah, and weird estate planning goes on that you don't know why they did what they did. Right? Maybe the son had an insurance policy. Right? Stephen Semple: Who knows? Who knows? Dave Young: I don't know, but maybe he got... Who knows? Stephen Semple: Now, at the same time, when she sold it to her brother, her husband, Carl, ended up becoming a partner in the business. Dave Young: Okay. Stephen Semple: So it was this really weird, father dies, it goes to the daughter, the daughter sells it to the brother, and the husband ends up becoming a partner. Dave Young: Who knows about the transactions inside family businesses, right? That's a... Stephen Semple: Right? All I'm just saying is, if it sounds weird, it was. Dave Young: Yeah. Stephen Semple: That's all I'm saying. But moving forward, what's really incredible is today, Lowe's is 1700 locations doing 80 billion in sales. So it is- Dave Young: That's not nothing. Stephen Semple: That's not nothing. That's not nothing. But back in the early forties, hardware stores did not have building supplies. They didn't have plywood, they didn't have... They didn't have building supplies. Dave Young: Yeah, yeah. You went across to the lumber yard to get that stuff. Stephen Semple: Correct. Correct. Dave Young: Yeah. Stephen Semple: And so one day Carl gets this deal on toilets, and he decides to buy a whole pile of toilets. When I say a whole pile, the whole truckload, which was 400 toilets. Dave Young: Okay. Stephen Semple: And James? James Lowe comes in the office one day and he's like, "Toilets in the office." And he says, "Carl, why is there toilets in the office?" He goes, "Well, I bought 400 of them and I ran out of space, so they're sitting in here." And he's like, "We don't sell toilets." He goes, "Well, we are now, because we got 400 of them." Dave Young: "Yeah, we sell toilets. Sell them or else." Stephen Semple: "[inaudible 00:05:20] now!" So, "Yes we are." And what turns out is that they sell out really quickly. And Carl looks into this a little bit more and he sees this ...
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    19 min
  • #232: Amazon – 8,000 Orders a Minute
    Nov 19 2025
    From Jeffy's Online Books to everything from A to Z, Amazon.com is an empire amongst empires. Bezos created something remarkable. Dave Young: Welcome to the Empire Builders Podcast, teaching business owners the not-so-secret techniques that took famous businesses from mom-and-pop to major brands. Stephen Semple is a marketing consultant, story collector, and storyteller. I'm Stephen's sidekick and business partner, Dave Young. Before we get into today's episode, a word from our sponsor, which is... Well, it's us, but we're highlighting ads we've written and produced for our clients. So here's one of those. [Pinpoint Payments Ad] Dave Young: Ding-dong. Okay. Well, I was making noises there as we started. Welcome to the Empire Builders Podcast. Dave Young here alongside Stephen Semple, and we're talking about empires. I mean, businesses that started tiny and grew into behemoths, in this case, and often... Well, every time what we do is we let the countdown to the recording start, and then Stephen whispers in my ear today's topic, and we see if I recognize it. Maybe perhaps I've heard of them. And today, he just said one word, Amazon. And I'm like, "Is that a river?" I mean, that's what we all said back in the day when Jeff Bezos started it- Stephen Semple: Yes. Dave Young: ... was, "Really, you named it after a river in South America? What are you thinking? What's wrong with you?" But I guess he proved them wrong. Stephen Semple: What you're going to discover, wasn't actually the first name. Dave Young: Oh, cool. They started with a different name and then switched to Amazon. Stephen Semple: Jeffy's Online Books? Dave Young: Well, and here's the thing. We're 200-and-some-odd episodes in, and we've managed to hold off not covering Amazon. That's a good point. Yeah. Stephen Semple: And I resisted myself, because basically everything that's to be said about Amazon has probably been said, but I did come across a couple of interesting little tidbits that we're going to focus on- Dave Young: Oh, cool. Stephen Semple: ... that I hope gives a little bit different picture to Amazon than the other things, people. Look, Amazon is a massive success, has changed the way the world is, was unbelievably innovative and forward-thinking. And today, Amazon does like 8,000 orders a minute. Dave Young: A minute? Stephen Semple: A minute. Dave Young: Unbelievable. Stephen Semple: Crazy, isn't it? Dave Young: Mm-hmm. Stephen Semple: And Jeff Bezos is one of the richest men in the world, and Amazon is just a monster out there. But here's the thing that's also really interesting. Jeff Bezos did not come from technology or retail. And how often have we seen this over and over and over again, that these businesses are built by people from outside the industry? That is like 9 out of 10, or probably even more like 99 out of 100. He was an investment guy that was working in the early '90s on Wall Street. That's what he was doing. And he was making big bucks doing research in the technology space. So he was working in the space, but he wasn't a tech guy or a retail guy. And he comes across this report about growth in the internet space. And he literally... It boggles his mind. He's working away in Wall Street, comes across this report, and it says, the space is growing at 2300%. And he literally, as the story goes, picks up the phone, calls the analyst, and said, "There's a typo here." And they were like, "No, this is how it's growing." And he was like, "Oh my God." Now, let's think about this for a moment, because it's easy to forget this. 1989 is when the first online transaction on the World Wide Web happened. Dave Young: I wouldn't have thought it was even that long ago, but yeah. Stephen Semple: Yeah, yeah, but it was, like, one- Dave Young: Yeah. It's ancient history now, but... Stephen Semple: We forget, we forget how much the growth is. And if you really want to go back, probably the best documentation of the growth we've had is episode 227 on AOL. Because AOL was really a driver of internet growth. It really was. It was really one of the pioneers that took people online. So to be looking at these things in the early '90s and go, "Hey, I see growth in online retail," that's really forward-thinking. I've got to give Bezos credit. Not a lot of people were thinking that way. So he looks at this growth and he says, "There's got to be potential to do a business in this space." And that's where he starts off. We've got to do a business in this space. So he does brainstorming ideas with his wife at the time, McKinsey, and they look at investment sites, they look at advice sites, but he decides it needs to be a store, because people shop every day. Everyone. It's mass- Dave Young: An online store, yeah. Stephen Semple: It's mass, it's something we do all the time, it's habitual, and he doesn't want to do something that's a niche. And it has no boundaries, and ideally you could remove a lot of the friction in shopping. But he realizes ...
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    21 min
  • #231: Lily’s Sweets – Sweeter Than Sugar
    Nov 12 2025
    Cynthia Tice started Lily's Sweets at the age of 60 and sold it to Hersey's 11 years later for $400 Million. Wow! Dave Young: Welcome to The Empire Builders Podcast, teaching business owners the not-so-secret techniques that took famous businesses from mom-and-pop to major brands. Stephen Semple is a marketing consultant, story collector, and storyteller. I'm Stephen's sidekick and business partner, Dave Young. Before we get into today's episode, a word from our sponsor, which is, well, it's us, but we're highlighting ads we've written and produced for our clients. So, here's one of those. [Seaside Plumbing Ad] Dave Young: Welcome to The Empire Builders Podcast. I'm Dave Young, that guy next to me is Stephen Semple, and we're talking about empires. We're talking about businesses that started with nothing and grew to be huge, as we say. And today, Stephen whispered in my ear the topic and I've never heard of it. No idea. Stephen Semple: Yay, finally stumped. It doesn't stump Dave very often. Dave Young: Thanks for listening to The Empire Builders Podcast. That's all we've got for you today. Oh, no, wait. Stephen Semple: Because clearly if Dave- Dave Young: Oh, wait. Stephen Semple: Because clearly if Dave's not heard about it, it's not interesting. Dave Young: Wait a minute. I forgot to have you tell me about them, so go ahead. Go ahead with your little story there, Stephen. Stephen Semple: Yeah, so it's a company called Lily's Sweets. Now, they're a chocolate company and they make sugar-free chocolate. And I'm not surprised that you haven't heard of them, but here's the reason why I think they're worth talking about, is 11 years after the business started by Cynthia Tice, it was sold to Hershey's for $400 million. Dave Young: That's a nice little getaway. Stephen Semple: Yeah, that's worth talking about. Don't you think? Dave Young: So it's owned by Hershey's now. Stephen Semple: It's owned by Hershey's now. Dave Young: Do they still operate under the name Lily's Sweets or is it all just a- Stephen Semple: Yes, they do. Dave Young: ... Hershey's conglomerated candy corporation. Stephen Semple: The bar is called Lily's Sweets, so you can still get Lily's Sweets bars. They're made by Hershey's. And as I said, Cynthia sold it to the company after 11 years for- Dave Young: 11 years? Stephen Semple: ... $400 million. Yes. Dave Young: That's brilliant. Stephen Semple: Now, here's the other thing is she started the company at the fine young age of 60. Dave Young: I love this story. Stephen Semple: Right? Now you understand why I wanted to share this story. Dave Young: There may yet be hope. Stephen Semple: And so they do these sugar-free chocolates, and the goal for her was always to make a good, enjoyable chocolate product. Because we go back to early days of the sugar-free products, they were marketed to people who are diabetic and who are trying to lose weight, and they really didn't taste good. But the anti-sugar movement triggered something that was bigger because people started to discover that sugar's tied in inflammation, and there's been this explosion in these products. To give you an idea, in 2024, the no-sugar chocolate area as a category doubled. That's how much the growth is. Dave Young: 2004? Stephen Semple: 2024. So still even today- Dave Young: 2024. Doubled in '24? Stephen Semple: Still even today, yes, the growth is really rapid. But this is what Cynthia saw, so let's go back to 2008 in Philadelphia. Cynthia Tice is a food consultant and a graduate of Temple University. And Temple University is actually a big presence in Philadelphia. I had a chance to speak at Temple and it's in downtown Philly, and downtown Philly's pretty neat. And look, if you're ever in Philadelphia, you have to go do the Rocky statue, right? Dave Young: Oh, yeah. Stephen Semple: And it's amazing today that there's still a lineup to take a picture at that statue. Dave Young: My dad went to Temple. Stephen Semple: Oh, did he really? Cool. Dave Young: He didn't go to college there. After World War II, he had dropped out to join the Navy. And so after World War II, he got his GED at Temple before heading off to University of Wyoming. Stephen Semple: Oh, that's cool. Dave Young: He's a South Jersey guy, so Temple's just a few miles away. Stephen Semple: Yeah, that's cool. Dave Young: Yeah. Stephen Semple: Cool. Dave Young: So I love that personal connection to Temple. Stephen Semple: There you are. So back to Cynthia. So around this time, Stevia got approved and she had set up this consulting business to help companies find organic products because she had always had an interest in more organic foods. And growing up, she felt sick all the time. One day when she was eating lunch, a random person told her, "Look, if you're not feeling well, it's probably what you're eating and how you're eating." And this hit her to the bone. So in the last year of college, she graduated in '74, she got into natural foods and she became a ...
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    21 min
  • #230: French Florist (Part 2) – In The Business of Love
    Nov 5 2025
    Stephen Continues his discussion with Michael Jacobson about how he help save and ultimately revive his uncle's business. Dave Young: Welcome to The Empire Builders Podcast, teaching business owners the not-so-secret techniques that took famous businesses from mom and pop to major brands. Stephen Semple is a marketing consultant, story collector, and storyteller. I'm Stephen's sidekick and business partner Dave Young. Before we get into today's episode, a word from our sponsor, which is, well, it's us, but we're highlighting ads we've written and produced for our clients. So here's one of those. [Travis Crawford Ad] Rick: Told you, Brian. Brian: Told me what? Rick: This is part two of last week's episode. Brian: Oh yeah. And it was getting good. Rick: And if you missed it, you can always listen to the first one. Just back up to last week's episode. Take it away fellas. Stephen Semple: In my TEDx Talk that I did, the very, very first slide, the very first slide is win the heart and the mind will follow. Michael Jacobson: That's exactly right. We're humans. We're emotion lead. That's exactly right. Stephen Semple: Even engineers make decisions emotionally. We are wired to make decisions emotionally and connect with things emotionally. So you're 1,000% correct on this. Michael Jacobson: Thank you. Yeah, I mean, so far so good. So ultimately, the market will decide if that's true or not, but I tend to believe that that is true. Stephen Semple: Well, it's already voted that way with you so far. Michael Jacobson: Yeah, I mean, it's coming that way. And so we really focus our brand on making the client feel like the hero because they are. Buying flowers from us should feel as good as receiving the flowers. It is a remarkable act to send flowers to somebody. You are literally creating a more loving world. Stephen Semple: Yes. Michael Jacobson: And I don't know what the meaning of life is, Kay, but when I ask people, a lot of times the response is it's human connection. Or if they want to go even deeper, the meaning of life is love. And so that's the business we're in. And if you're leveraging flowers, the most meaningful gift you can give to tell somebody that you love them, you should be praised for that. And so we make our centers feel very good about that as they should be. Stephen Semple: Well, if you think about it, your business is very, very similar. Let's just look at the emotional part. Your is very similar on the emotional level as engagement rings. The person who gives an engagement ring, yes, they want the person that they're giving the ring to feel good, but it's that I give this beautiful ring to this person. They feel good. I feel good in return. So you're absolutely right. The gift of giving when it's done right both end up getting positive emotional feelings about it. The receiver feels great. And when it's done right, the giver feels great as well. Here's the other thing that people discount in gift giving, it now actually creates a shared narrative. Michael Jacobson: That's right. Stephen Semple: Because we've actually shared in that gift, even if it's thousands of miles away, even if I never talk to the person, even if the person's in a coma and it goes to the hospital, I still have a shared experience now with that individual through emotionally taking that act. You're absolutely 1,000% correct on these things. Michael Jacobson: Yeah, thanks. It bothers me because we would not be doing what we're doing if somebody else was. We never had the ambition. So I want to answer your question on my franchise. We wouldn't franchise, we wouldn't even expand corporate locations if there was somebody in our industry that was doing it as well as we thought it should be done. But nobody is. Our market leader is 1-800-FLOWERS, and my job is not to bash the competitors. We shine our own lamp. But pragmatically speaking, we think somebody can do a better job than 1-800. Stephen Semple: For them, it's a commodity that's being moved. I want to share a thought with you, and you may have considered this thought, but you're in an interesting situation because as soon as I hear somebody say, "Hey, we want to educate the consumer on doing this thing, and I want to change the consumer behavior," I always look at that from a marketing perspective as being a really... Michael Jacobson: Very expensive. Stephen Semple: Well, it's expensive and it's a difficult challenge. However, you've got an interesting strategy that you can do. So if I was working with you based upon a 20-minute conversation, so this strategy is worth the amount of time and effort of money that's been put towards it. Michael Jacobson: I know. You can do this for however many years to get to this answer. Stephen Semple: Right. But if you think about it, there is a bit of a thin edge of the wedge strategy here, especially where you've optimized and worked hard to make sure the customer becomes a repeat customer. So anytime I'm in a situation where I ...
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    23 min
  • #229: French Florist (Part 1) – From Failing to Flourishing
    Oct 29 2025
    Michael Jacobson wanted to help his uncle sell his flower shop, but now it is growing like a weed. Dave Young: Welcome to The Empire Builders Podcast, teaching business owners the not-so-secret techniques that took famous businesses from mom and pop to major brands. Stephen Semple is a marketing consultant, story collector, and storyteller. I'm Stephen's sidekick in business partner, Dave Young. Before we get into today's episode, a word from our sponsor, which is, well, it's us, but we're highlighting ads we've written and produced for our clients, so here's one of those. [Seaside Plumbing Ad} Stephen Semple: Hey, it's Stephen Semple here and we are without Dave Young today because we have an opportunity for a really, really special interview. I have with me Michael Jacobson from French Florist and we had a conversation, it was probably about a month and a half ago, and I just thought some of the things that you shared was amazing and I was like, "I got to get Michael onto the podcast." Now, the first question I asked Michael is, what's your title? "We don't believe in titles." I said, "Are you the founder?" "Well, sort of." That's where we'll start. That's where we'll start the story about French Florist in terms of how you came to be the owner and what's happened in the time that the business has been with you. Michael Jacabson: Awesome. Thanks Stephen. This is a generous introduction. I appreciate that. Thank you. When I say we don't believe in titles, we really don't. As we get to be a bigger organization, we brought on a chief operating officer who's a lot smarter in operations than I am. And that's become my job is hire people that are smarter than you and give them the reins, so maybe, I don't know what title that is, but whatever that job is, and she tells me we do need titles because it helps with accountability and that kind of important stuff. I thought it was a little boring, but she did convince me. Stephen Semple: Before we go on, what size are you at today? You're large enough that you brought in a chief operating officer, so how many employees do you have now? Michael Jacabson: We've got just over 100 employees now. Stephen Semple: How many locations? Michael Jacabson: We have 10 locations now and we'll have 17 open by the end of the year. We'll have 60 open by the end of next, so a lot of our employees- Stephen Semple: Awesome. Michael Jacabson: ... right now aren't necessarily for the immediate now, but we're building the infrastructure to support tomorrow. Stephen Semple: That's cool. That's cool. That's amazing. That's amazing growth, so 100 people now, but you're really looking to go to that... You're at 17, going to 60 locations. That's awesome. Going back to the early days of how you found yourself owning French Florist. Michael Jacabson: Oh, gosh. Okay, so I don't know if this will resonate with the audience. Hopefully it does. I've graduated college... You hear the statistics of how many startups fail, whatever it is, 90, 95% of startups. I did- Stephen Semple: Most. Michael Jacabson: Most. And I actually joined a few startups in college that I didn't found but kind of joined their team. All of them, but one failed, so I saw firsthand too. And I took a job in super boring corporate consulting right out of college, paid super well, great opportunity. I could work alongside awesome executives at really awesome companies. That was the pitch. I didn't make it even a year. I made it about one year and it just didn't feed that fire in my belly. That was the wall that my ladder was leaned against and I could sit there and climb that ladder or if I'm not happy, do something about it. And so I had my ear to the ground with different opportunities and I got a call from my uncle one day and he says, "Mike, I've been running my flower shop for 38 years. I'm working six days a week, 60 hours a week or more, and I'm losing money. I'm tired. I don't want to run the business anymore." I studied finance, so he said, "Can you help me sell the business?" I said, "Sure, happy to take a look at it." That's how I got in and it evolved. I originally joined French Florist to help my family out and sell the business. Stephen Semple: You're initially there to help with the exit? Michael Jacabson: That's right. Stephen Semple: Okay, cool. Michael Jacabson: From there I went around and did what any normal exit would look like, where you go and you look at comparables, what are other florists doing well, what are they not doing well? How much are they selling for? Looking inside the business, let's clean it up a little bit. Let's get some proper bookkeeping and accounting in place so we have some numbers that we can share with prospective buyers. You know what I realized really quickly though was there's such an incredible systemic issue in the floral industry. It wasn't just my uncle struggling, it was all florists are struggling with the same exact issues, if not the same exact, very, very similar ...
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    27 min
  • #228: Saving Lego – The Amazing Turnaround
    Oct 22 2025
    From almost going out of business in 2000 to becoming the biggest toy manufacturer in the world. This is an empire! Dave Young: Welcome to the Empire Builders Podcast, teaching business owners the not-so-secret techniques that took famous businesses from mom-and-pop to major brands. Stephen Semple is a marketing consultant, story collector and storyteller. I'm Stephen's sidekick and business partner, Dave Young. Before we get into today's episode, a word from our sponsor, which is... well, it's us. But we're highlighting ads we've written and produced for our clients. So here's one of those. [OG Law Ad) Dave Young: Welcome back to the Empire Builders Podcast. Dave Young here, along with Stephen Semple. What Steve told me is that it's a little bit different episode today. We're not talking about the building of an empire, but the saving of the LEGO Empire, right? It was already an empire, and as empires sometimes do, I guess starting to collapse. Stephen Semple: Yep, yeah. Dave Young: And then something happened. Stephen Semple: Here's the thing that's remarkable. According to studies I've come across, when companies go through the type of challenge that LEGO faced, only literally one in 10 survive it. Most businesses do not survive it. And they not only survived, they went from being, I think they were the third-largest toy manufacturer to after facing this crisis, they became the largest toy manufacturer in the world. Dave Young: Wow. Okay. Stephen Semple: So not only did they survive, they thrived. And today they employ over 30,000 people, they have over 1,000 stores. And you can learn more about the early days of LEGO by going back to another episode, episode 28. Can you believe it was 28? We did it in the first year- Dave Young: Wow. Yeah. Stephen Semple: ... of the podcast. But in early 2000, they literally almost went out of business. They were facing a moment where it was unclear whether they were going to survive and they were even in conversations to sell to other toy manufacturers. They were even in conversations with Mattel. Dave Young: Because I don't know exactly how this went, but I can hazard a guess that the pivot they were able to make was to just start prepackaging kits and licensing things from movies and other things, other toys. Because when I was a kid, I had LEGOs, but man, if you wanted to build something specific, you had to come up with that yourself, right? There was no kit that made a battleship or a Star Wars fighter or anything like that. You were lucky if you had a couple of the little window things and maybe one or two little figures, but that was about it. Stephen Semple: Ironically, it's part of what saved them, but also part of what almost killed them. Dave Young: Oh, okay. Stephen Semple: So it's interesting. Dave Young: Right, I'm leaning in. Stephen Semple: Yeah. So we go back to 1997, and basically sales had started to stall in '93, and so they were looking for other ways to grow the business because video games were coming in, all these other things were going on. And in 1997, Peter Eio is an executive with LEGO, and what he's noticed, because he's working in the US market, he's seen a trend in the toy business where half of the toys in the US are being sold under licensing deals. So he puts together a deal with Lucasfilms to do Star Wars. And at first, LEGO's really hesitant because they've never, first of all, done the licensing. Their real hesitation is the Lightsaber and blasters and the fact that it involves weapons. Because LEGO was always committed to, "There would never be any violent use of the toys." Dave Young: They're peaceful Scandinavians. Stephen Semple: Companies being run by Kjeld Kirk Kristiansen, who's a family member, and the grandson of the founder, they do some focus groups and they come around to it, because the evidence is that parents don't associate Star Wars with violence. So this wins over the execs. And while it's a departure from the past, they decide to do this licensing deal. And LEGO Star Wars is born because they wanted to do this. Now, 1998 was actually their first ever loss. And Kristiansen steps down, and Poul Plougmann comes on the board because he did a big turnaround in Bang & Olufsen, and he does an analysis of the decline. What they believe at this point is children are playing with things differently. They want computer games. They don't want to build toys, they just want to open up a box and play. His belief is the strength is no longer in the brick; it's in the name, the LEGO brand. And he wants to extend the brand to other things, go beyond the brick. Now, what's really funny is whenever companies want to do this expansion of the brand, it's amazing how often it doesn't work. There's a really famous book, 22 Immutable Laws of Branding, and several of the chapters are, "Don't extend the brand." It's like when Gerber wanted to make adult food. Dave Young: Nobody wants that. Stephen Semple: Right. It's like, "Well, we ...
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    19 min
  • #227: AOL – You’ve Got Mail
    Oct 15 2025
    Did you know that at it's peak America On Line was responsible for 50% of all Compact Disc production in America? Dave Young: Welcome to the Empire Builders Podcast, teaching business owners the not-so-secret techniques that took famous businesses from mom and pop to major brands. Stephen Simple is a marketing consultant, story collector and storyteller. I'm Stephen's sidekick and business partner, Dave Young. Before we get into today's episode, a word from our sponsor, which is, well, it's us, but we're highlighting ads we've written and produced for our clients. So here's one of those. [No Bull RV Ad] Dave Young: Welcome to the Empire Builders Podcast. Dave Young here alongside Stephen Semple. And Stephen, you've got mail. Stephen Semple: That's right. Dave Young: You've got mail. You've got mail. Stephen Semple: Could you imagine? Could you imagine if it's still happened that way? You got mail. You got, you got, you got mail. Dave Young: It'd be all day long. I can remember in those early days when getting an email was like, oh, shit, I got an email. Or, somebody sent me an email, or they replied to one of mine. Oh my gosh. Stephen Semple: Yes. Dave Young: So AOL, that's the... There was a time. Stephen Semple: America Online. Dave Young: There was a time they'd send out their what? CD-ROMs. Stephen Semple: Yep. Dave Young: You couldn't reach into the seat back pocket of a car without finding one. Stephen Semple: And we're going to explore that whole marketing campaign. But here's the crazy thing- Dave Young: [inaudible 00:02:37] cereal. Stephen Semple: All of it. Yeah. At its peak, one half of CD production in the United States was dedicated to America Online. Dave Young: Oh my God. Stephen Semple: Isn't that crazy? Dave Young: Say it isn't so. Stephen Semple: I can't. AOL was founded by Steve Case, William Von, Jim Kimsey and Marc Seriff in 1983 in Brooklyn. And as we know, it went on to become one of the biggest names in the internet. And in January 11th, 2001, it merged with Time Warner being one of the largest corporate mergers at the time, which actually it turned out was a disaster, but we're not going to talk about that. But back in the early days in 1983, let's put it in perspective, because sometimes it's really hard to think about these technological evolutions, but in 1983, Sony released the first consumer camcorder CD-ROMs were developed. And the first cell phone, remember the Motorola one that looked like it was a World War II walkie-talkie? Dave Young: Well, before that were bag phones. My first one was a bag phone. Stephen Semple: Yeah. Dave Young: The cell phone that you carried around with a giant battery in a bag. Stephen Semple: Exactly. Yeah. So that's like 1983. And AOL did not start as AOL. It started as a company called Control Video Corporation, CVC, founded by Bill Von Meister. And here's what they created. They created this thing called Gamelink, and basically it's a modem that plugs into the Atari 2600 game module, and they would sell the modem for 50 bucks, and it was a $15 setup fee, and you could download games for a dollar over the phone. That was the idea. This whole idea of the internet did not exist. It was this idea. Now, Steve Case, who becomes the main character in our story, worked for Bill and less than a year later, 1984, CVC is struggling because the video game boom has gone bust. Atari cancels the 2600 because only 3,000 units are sold. So the business is a bit of a tough space. Dave Young: This is a couple of decades almost before the boom, the bust? Stephen Semple: Yes. Oh, yeah. Dave Young: The bursting of the .com bubble. Stephen Semple: But this is the video game business goes through this a little bit, softening. The board sidelines, Von Meister and parachutes in Jim Kimsey, who's a former military guy, and immediately he downsizes the business from a hundred people down to 10, including pretty much everybody in marketing. But he keeps Steve Case, because Steve's cheap, hardworking, and driven, and they become close. He mentors Case. Now, the first goal is stop the creditors, keep the business alive. Now, the big advantage they have is they have almost no assets. So essentially they would say to creditors, "Go ahead, but you're going to get nothing, so you might as well support us." Dave Young: A couple of office chairs. Stephen Semple: Exactly. Now, it's 1985 and one in 10 Americans own computers, but it's rising. So it's starting to get out there. CompuServe is around, but there's not much else around for online. And CVC decides to build an online service for the most popular computer of the day, which is the Commodore 64. Remember the Commodore? I had a Commodore 64. Dave Young: I didn't, but I had an old RadioShack one and I think I just skipped over the Commodore at some point. Stephen Semple: There you go. Yeah. Dave Young: Somehow. Stephen Semple: So CVC changes its name to Quantum Computer Services. It's not AOL yet. Dave Young: Yeah, yeah, ...
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  • #226: 7-Eleven – The World’s Biggest
    Oct 8 2025
    Joe Thompson saw the future shifting with the invention of the refrigerator. So with innovation after innovation we now have convenience stores. Dave Young: Welcome to the Empire Builders Podcast, teaching business owners the not-so-secret techniques that took famous businesses from mom-and-pop to major brands. Stephen Semple is a marketing consultant, story collector, and storyteller. I'm Stephen's sidekick and business partner, Dave Young. Before we get into today's episode, a word from our sponsor, which is... Well, it's us, but we're highlighting ads we've written and produced for our clients, so here's one of those. [OG Law Ad] Dave Young: Welcome to the Empire Builders Podcast, Dave Young here alongside Stephen Semple, and Stephen just whispered into my ear the name of the empire that we're going to discuss today, and oh, thank heaven. I've been waiting for this one to come along, 7-Eleven. Stephen Semple: 7-Eleven. Yeah. Dave Young: 7-Eleven. Stephen Semple: It's the largest retail chain in the world. Dave Young: Is it really? Stephen Semple: Yes. Yes. Dave Young: Is it franchises, or is it a combination of something? Stephen Semple: Oh, it's franchises. Dave Young: Okay. Stephen Semple: Yes, it's franchises. But 85,000 stores in 20 countries. Dave Young: That's amazing. Yeah, they're everywhere. Stephen Semple: There's 13,000 in Canada and the U.S. alone. Dave Young: You know what I love about their name? It's spelled the same no matter what language you speak. Stephen Semple: Well, that's a good point. I never thought about that. Dave Young: Right. You look at a 7-Eleven sign, and it doesn't matter what the native language is, it's two numerals, and you recognize that brand by the color and the numerals, and you know exactly what to expect. Stephen Semple: Yeah. They're the largest in the world. They're also now owned by a Japanese company. It was bought out after a disastrous leverage buyout that was done by the Thompson family, but a story as old as life itself. Dave Young: Sure. Stephen Semple: But back to 7-Eleven, and it's a story that starts back in 1927 in Dallas, Texas as the Southland Ice Company. Now, I wasn't actually able to find the founding date for the Southland Ice Company, everything, I found said it was 1927, but I really believe it happened before that. But that said, that's when our story starts, is in 1927, with the selling of blocks of ice. So we think about- Dave Young: Sure. Stephen Semple: ... in those days, ice houses were really important. People would go and buy big blocks of ice and take them home, and that was basically your ice box. Dave Young: Yeah, or there would be delivery trucks going around with big blocks of ice. Yeah, either way. Stephen Semple: Yeah. But it was an important part of life. We forget that how you kept things cool was, you basically had... Let's face it, what you basically had was a cooler in your house. You threw ice in the ice box, and that's what kept things cool. And look, every town had one, or if it was a bigger town, more than one. So Joe Thompson is the owner of the Southland Ice Company, but he sees this new trend coming, and he's a little bit worried. He's worried that refrigerators are going to start to steal his business. Now, the early refrigerators are actually quite dangerous. They would break down, and they would release these dangerous fumes. But in 1927, GE releases a new refrigerator that runs on Freon, and it could also get below freezing. Dave Young: Okay. Stephen Semple: And look, electricity was starting to be in most homes. And shortly after GE's launch, 56 other companies started to also develop refrigerators. Dave Young: So you could make your own ice. Stick it to the man. Stephen Semple: Yeah, there you go. Dave Young: Yes. Stephen Semple: So he's thinking about other opportunities. He was wondering, "What other things can we do?" And along comes Johnny Jefferson Green. Now, Johnny Jefferson Green is a manager of one of the Southland Ice Company's locations. Now, one of the things he did while people waited, Johnny would give them a freebie. He'd give them a slice of watermelon, he'd give them a cold drink when he was going down to grab the ice while they're waiting- Dave Young: Gotcha. Yeah. Stephen Semple: ... he would give them this. Little surprise and delight. Wonderful, right? Then one day a customer asks, while he's waiting, saying, "Hey..." Because he gave him a bottle of Coke, went and grabbed his ice, and when he came and gave the customer the ice, customer said, "While I'm here, could I buy a couple of bottles of Coke off of you?" Dave Young: Right? Yeah. Stephen Semple: Yeah. And he did. But then he started thinking, "Why don't I start selling some of these items at the ice house?" So he started selling these items like watermelon, and cold drinks, and all this other stuff, and it starts doing pretty well. And in fact, as it increases, he tells Joe Thompson what's going on, because there's so much ...
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